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Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« on: January 23, 2008, 02:52:01 AM »
This year marks the graduation of the first DIPLOMA Batch to Skudai. It is revealed from CST that the Architecture School (Jabatan in Skudai) will only accept 10 students from KL.

It also revealed that the quota for intake from other DIPLOMA school is 30 students. Why give such a small number to the KL students? 1 : 3
It is for technical reasons (credit transfer)?
Is the KL architecture Students not at par with Skudai?
Is Skudai opening more for other Students IPTA/IPTS?
Do they have to go interviews (KL) like an outsider just to continue in Skudai? 

The planning department is accepting all of its DIPLOMA students to Skudai, so does the QS. I hope someone could clarify this on behalf of the students.
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Re: Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2008, 03:33:10 AM »
planning and QS degrees have very small demand. a few years back, planning only had 18 students for a place for 100. eighteen. that's 82 seats empty. i'm not sure of the numbers in QS, but it's not one of the hottest courses in UTM.

i think u need to remember that we're not an integration school anymore. degree and diploma are two separate schools conducted by the same university. 5 years back, before the introduction of 5 year degree programme, FAB is the only faculty in UTM that offers a diploma->degree integration, meaning u must take diploma first, then degree. u cant skip straight to a degree programme after SPM/STPM. other courses in UTM are separate diploma degree. we have a stand alone degree that students can take from STPM/pre-U, while diploma takes from SPM. now UTM architecture diploma follows this format as well.

so having esablished a little background on the issue, lets pursue what's going on with the small intake from UTM KL:

the other 20 places are for UTM diploma holders in the integration system (the one we went through). we have to give them priority bcoz in their agreement, fulfilling 2.70 and above and atleast 2 years experience will get them through to the degree programme. we cant refuse these students bcoz they're in the integration programme.

so this issue has nothing to do with KL students not up to par, or credit transfer (technicalities) or whatever. we're giving priorities to UTM skudai diploma integration holders, those who've been guaranteed education at degree level by UTM (by the agreement we signed when we started first year).


so basically i'd take all ur possible reasons and throw it out the window ;). stop finding and creating rifts laaa weh!
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Re: Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2008, 04:04:05 AM »

Ok faham, but this is not about creating rift lar...clarification.

Ini masa depan orang le, jangan main-main. Kalau seseorang itu layak tapi dinafikan tempat, kita yang menjawab nanti kat akhirat. Bukan main-main. Ngkao ngan aku dan semua yg terlibat nanti sama-sama tanggung.

These students have plans that goes beyond Skudai. At-least tell them the odds of getting into Skudai, the last semester. Don't shift the goal post when the players want to kick in.

If Skudai is raising the BAR, tell us. Your program is our program. It is done to FEED Skudai. If not, tell us we are on our own. Or at least we will have our own Part 1 & 2 in KL. Sounds odd right? One university two schools..hehehe.

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we're giving priorities to UTM skudai diploma integration holders, those who've been guaranteed education at degree level by UTM (by the agreement we signed when we started first year).

Betul ke Aza, are you saying ada lagi ke DIPLOMA kat JB? Sekarang nih semua kat Skudai budak Degree le. Mane ade Diploma. Kitorang je yg DIPLOMA, masuk feeder 3rd year SKUDAI. Thats the grand plan, according to UTM (maybe Jabatan Senibina Skudai ada syarat lain?)
 
Soalan die... kenapa sikit sangat, 10 je untuk KL? Imagine muka budak2 KL bila aku announce new nih? Dah le diorang pakai program SKUDAI buat, lepas tu tak dapat masuk sane? Tapi dalam masa sama orang dari universiti lain yang DIPLOMA jugak kuota diorang lagi besar dari UTM...30 orang! Cuba tanya orang sana...Clarify sikit situasi nih.


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Re: Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2008, 05:37:49 AM »
Ok faham, but this is not about creating rift lar...clarification.

Ini masa depan orang le, jangan main-main. Kalau seseorang itu layak tapi dinafikan tempat, kita yang menjawab nanti kat akhirat. Bukan main-main. Ngkao ngan aku dan semua yg terlibat nanti sama-sama tanggung.

These students have plans that goes beyond Skudai. At-least tell them the odds of getting into Skudai, the last semester. Don't shift the goal post when the players want to kick in.

If Skudai is raising the BAR, tell us. Your program is our program. It is done to FEED Skudai. If not, tell us we are on our own. Or at least we will have our own Part 1 & 2 in KL. Sounds odd right? One university two schools..hehehe.

Betul ke Aza, are you saying ada lagi ke DIPLOMA kat JB? Sekarang nih semua kat Skudai budak Degree le. Mane ade Diploma. Kitorang je yg DIPLOMA, masuk feeder 3rd year SKUDAI. Thats the grand plan, according to UTM (maybe Jabatan Senibina Skudai ada syarat lain?)
 
Soalan die... kenapa sikit sangat, 10 je untuk KL? Imagine muka budak2 KL bila aku announce new nih? Dah le diorang pakai program SKUDAI buat, lepas tu tak dapat masuk sane? Tapi dalam masa sama orang dari universiti lain yang DIPLOMA jugak kuota diorang lagi besar dari UTM...30 orang! Cuba tanya orang sana...Clarify sikit situasi nih.

aku rasa ada lagi yg ko tak clear. baik aku clarify cepat2.

kat muka bumi sekarang ni, pemegang diploma UTM ada dua:

i. student yg grad dari UTM KL (student2 kau sekarang)
ii. student yg grad dari integrasi UTM skudai (macam ko dan aku, last batch ialah batch inverto)

student integrasi UTM ramai yg tak ada degree, dan by right, diorang ada prioriti tinggi berbanding student2 lain. just tengok batch kau (original vsixth), berapa ramai yg tak masuk degree? kalau diorang apply UTM degree sekarang, diorang akan dapat prioriti tinggi utk masuk UTM berbanding dari student2 lain, even dari student diploma UTM KL. kenapa? pasal walaupun UTM KL guna kurikulum diploma yg lama, program tu bukan dalam format integrasi.

aku rasa dalam isu ni, ko dah terlepas cakap atau misinformed student2 kau. masa kitorang come up with separation of diploma school, we were very clear of what UTM KL is all about. asalnya, intake diploma utk ke degree UTM skudai semua ada requirement of work experience. ini termasuklah student diploma dari UTM KL. kalau compete dengan diploma holders lain yg dah ada 3-4 tahun experience, aku rasa mungkin susah sikit. setakat ni masih dilonggarkan utk kemasukan terus dari diploma ke tahun 3 degree. dengan specific quota utk UTM KL sahaja, aku rasa dah cukup baik.

remember, UTM KL is not an integration programme, but a separate diploma programme. i cant stress this enough.

boleh tanya basri, pasal dia ada masa meeting kitorang dulu.
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Re: Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2008, 11:37:51 PM »
From what i know... the intergration diploma programe in Skudai has stopped 5 years BEFORE we enrolled into the UTM KL diploma programme, which is now 8years ago. And what i hear is that this diploma programme is a replacement on the used-to-be intergration programme, the progame and syllabus that we're taking is the same as skudai's just at a different location.

well, if you're saying that
 
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kat muka bumi sekarang ni, pemegang diploma UTM ada dua:

i. student yg grad dari UTM KL (student2 kau sekarang)
ii. student yg grad dari integrasi UTM skudai (macam ko dan aku, last batch ialah batch inverto)
that means the students in catagory (ii) is a whole 8years older than us... and THEY are not what we're worried about.

out of the 30 diploma students they're taking, only 10 of us are allowed to enter. that means 20 are from OTHER universities, NOT UTM kl NOR skudai... well... isn't it a bit too little since we're the ones that go thru the same prgrame that the skudai students do...

According to PM bashri, work experience is not a requirement for part 2 in architecture...so work experience is not an issue too...

So what i'm understanding out of this situation is that... Skudai thinks we're not good enough? is that it? but how can they come to this conclusion if they don't even come to see waht we're doing here? I think we don't have to go too far... just the measured drawing project itself can be one of the measuring stone of our work quality.
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Re: Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2008, 01:08:49 AM »
With all the respect Aza, i think you are not the RIGHT person to answer this. Or you should not answer this question in the first place.

But it is a big help if you could find out.   

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Re: Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2008, 05:07:20 AM »
with all due respect, yuri, i dont think this is the right place to ask this question in the first place ;).

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out of the 30 diploma students they're taking, only 10 of us are allowed to enter. that means 20 are from OTHER universities, NOT UTM kl NOR skudai... well... isn't it a bit too little since we're the ones that go thru the same prgrame that the skudai students do...

and yes, yuki, the last batch to join the integration programme is in 2002 (that's 6 years ago, not 8) and graduated in 2005 (assuming they didnt extend or anything). the integration programme that they (including me, yuri and everybody else before 2002) is a life long binding agreement, as long as they hold UTM integration diploma, they have the priority to join UTM degree course above everybody else.  and yes, it does mean that they could be 5 years older than u, or even 25 years older.

the 20 extra spaces include UTM skudai alumnus. just remember that the document that u signed are different from them. UTM KL is not part of the integration programme anymore. i hope this clearly explains it.

it has nothing to do with what skudai thinks about UTM KL. it doesnt really matter what we think, bcoz we know UTM KL is using the exact same curriculum with the one we had 5 years ago. majority of the teaching staff still remember teaching that programme bcoz they've been teaching it for atleast 10 years of their life :D. we know that if u follow the programme tightly, there's not much way to go down from, and we entrusted bashri and shuhana bcoz they're the best person to oversee the programme.

look, UTM KL's diploma was not meant for UTM skudai only. students from UTM KL are now able to apply to any degree course in any IPTA in malaysia. that's why it has become an independent school in the first place. i just dont get why u guys insist that UTM skudai must oversee UTM KL. come on! unless u guys somehow WANT to become the shadow of UTM skudai... which i just dont get. anyways, that's the secondary issue here.

we currently have 4 part 2 schools in malaysia: UTM, USM, UiTM and UM. 10 students has been absorbed to UTM. what's to say that the rest of u guys couldnt find a place there?

and to put things into perspective, when it was back in the integration programme, out of 100 diploma students joined 1st year each year, only 30 would make it into degree (there are only 40 places for degree programme each year, 10 from outsiders).

is the picture clearer now?
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Re: Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2008, 10:40:20 AM »
Haiya...

During my time (1992), if I'm not mistaken, only 14 (maybe less) out of our batch of 50++ integration students proceeded into the degree.  I was not one of them although I was highly qualified.  I came back only four years later...  :)

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Re: Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2008, 04:35:37 PM »
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with all due respect, yuri, i dont think this is the right place to ask this question in the first place.

Dah takde tempat nak tanya soalan. It has always been 'no answers' coming from down south. Itu le kena pergi tanya org kat utara yang lagi PEKA.

Look, it was Pm Bashri & Pm Haliza who told these circumstances to the students. They were as shock as the students when the numbers are not even half to the total students. More over, Dr Syed told the other 30 students will be open to other non-UTM students.

The rules keep-on changing, first it was all the DIPLOMA Students, then only 3.0 above and suddenly 10students-with interview!!! Frankly, we were never very clear of what are the standards of going in SKUDAI.

Put aside all the past rules and precedents post-STPM/Matrics intake. It has nothing to do with the problem now.

 
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Re: Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2008, 07:45:45 PM »
My CGPA was 3.59. :rolleyes:

Well... I guess if those UTM KL students who can't get in due to the limited 10 students quota, then come back later, and be in that 30 'outsiders' quota.  If you still can't get in, try again lor...

FYI, I applied again after 3 years, but I wasn't even been called for a interview.  I heard there was a mess up at that time.  Never mind.  I applied again the next year, and I got it.  I guess persistent will pay off?  :P

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Re: Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2008, 12:47:41 AM »
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Well... I guess if those UTM KL students who can't get in due to the limited 10 students quota, then come back later, and be in that 30 'outsiders' quota.  If you still can't get in, try again lor...

we're already outsiders anyway.
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Re: Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2008, 01:33:13 AM »
we're already outsiders anyway.

Now that's a very pathetic statement! <<g

What do you think I should be thinking then when I was from Integrasi Senibina, in UTM Skudai, a 'non-outsider', highly qualified, yet didn't get a place?  Go and blame the 'outsiders' because I'm more 'deserving' of the place?

I'm sorry Yuri, but I think you've been brainwashing your students that UTM Skudai is treating UTM KL like an adik tiri.  You're creating rifts unnecessarily.  What you should be doing instead is to bring the two schools closer together, not drifting them apart...

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Re: Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2008, 01:48:30 AM »
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look, UTM KL's diploma was not meant for UTM skudai only. students from UTM KL are now able to apply to any degree course in any IPTA in malaysia. that's why it has become an independent school in the first place. i just dont get why u guys insist that UTM skudai must oversee UTM KL. come on! unless u guys somehow WANT to become the shadow of UTM skudai... which i just dont get. anyways, that's the secondary issue here.

The booklet of programs & subjects came from JB. The program as said by CST-The Dean of CST is meant for UTM SKUDAI. The DESIGN matrik is from UTM.

So, why draft a program that stops at 3rd year without Part One right unless it was meant for a feeder to main campus (Perdana). With out a PART One ticket do you think the students can go to other IPTA's going back to 2nd year in the Malaysian System?

Let me rephrase this AZA, KL is an independent school? We are outsiders?

Cakap dan confirm betul2 nih AZA, terlajak perahu boleh berundur, telajak cakap, padah......A lot will happen after this ultimatum, when you said we are an independent school.

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Re: Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2008, 02:00:20 AM »
I'm sorry Yuri, but I think you've been brainwashing your students that UTM Skudai is treating UTM KL like an adik tiri.  You're creating rifts unnecessarily.  What you should be doing instead is to bring the two schools closer together, not drifting them apart...

Take it back logo...jgn buat fitnah kat aku...i can be really emotional on this statement by you. >:(

Students in SKUDAI see my face every semester with my students than them coming to KL with any of their lecturers.

We unnecessary disturb our studies just to be in JB for Archiweek.
We represented UTM-JB in UIAM even though we don't want to.
We came down to JB to work with KALAM.
We arranged accommodation for SKUDAI students in KL for their measured drawing.
We came to visit SKUDAI everytime we are on a trip to Johor.
We've entered competitions in the name of all Architech students in UTM.

All WAS DONE IN 2 FREAKING YEARS and you said I AM CREATING RIFTS?!!!!!! GOD DAMMIT.. I HAD ENOUGH OF THIS...  >:(

Where is SKUDAI in KL?
Where is the Head Department?
Where is ARCHITECH?
Where is SKUDAI students?

Is the ITALIANS more important? Why? 2nd YEAR student came to Skudai for a joint-crit with you've guys, we've brought our models, design. You know what happen that day? NOBODY!!! We were asked just to crash any studio. Likewise we've told the Jabatan 1 week in advance.

While for the ITALIAN students, you can stop a studio program just to entertain them? Come on...
Siapa yang buat kitorang jadi oursider?
 

   
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Re: Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2008, 03:44:51 AM »
Take it back logo...jgn buat fitnah kat aku...i can be really emotional on this statement by you. >:(

I will not take it back, yet.  That's the impression I got from my observation here.  You've not been diplomatic in raising your issues.  You've put yourself to appear like the 'duri dalam daging'.  Don't blame us for 'accusing' you for causing rifts.

But I'd be interested to know the whole truth. With whom in the Jabatan that you liaised with in UTM Skudai when you came for the joint-crit?  Were you liaising with the right person(s)?  Was it being done properly?  Official letters?  Was it just talks over the phone?  Was there any follow ups?  How and why did everything end up so bad?  Whose faults actually?

We unnecessary disturb our studies just to be in JB for Archiweek.
We represented UTM-JB in UIAM even though we don't want to.
We came down to JB to work with KALAM.
We arranged accommodation for SKUDAI students in KL for their measured drawing.
We came to visit SKUDAI everytime we are on a trip to Johor.
We've entered competitions in the name of all Architech students in UTM.

Well, if Archiweek was being held in UTM KL, I'm sure UTM Skudai will also disturb their studies just to be there.

I think there was an explanation why UTM Skudai didn't participate in UIAM, right?  It was very unfortunate and embarassing, but I could understand their problems, although not all were necessarily acceptable.

About KALAM, should KALAM come to KL to work with you instead?

And I'm sure UTM JB would also arrange accommodation for UTM KL if there were requests and sufficient communications.

My opinion is that in order for UTM Skudai to want to visit UTM KL everytime they were in KL, UTM KL would hafta have something interesting and memorable.  My visit to UTM KL last September proved to be boring (nobody greeted me too! Hahah!).  Maybe I hadn't explored the whole campus, but generally the environment there was like that (through the eyes of an outsider).  KL has much more interesting places to visit.

I think when you entered competitions, you're representing UTM, and not Architech in particular.  Likewise, I'm sure if UTM Skudai wins a competition, the whole of UTM will tumpang bangga.  Why did you hafta separate everything and everything?  I know because I've won competitions too on behalf of UTM, and not Architech alone.  And in one case, I won on behalf of Malaysia too although it was not a top prize.  You should see things in a wider perspective, I must say.

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Re: Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2008, 03:50:17 AM »
Dah takde tempat nak tanya soalan. It has always been 'no answers' coming from down south. Itu le kena pergi tanya org kat utara yang lagi PEKA.

Look, it was Pm Bashri & Pm Haliza who told these circumstances to the students. They were as shock as the students when the numbers are not even half to the total students. More over, Dr Syed told the other 30 students will be open to other non-UTM students.

The rules keep-on changing, first it was all the DIPLOMA Students, then only 3.0 above and suddenly 10students-with interview!!! Frankly, we were never very clear of what are the standards of going in SKUDAI.

Put aside all the past rules and precedents post-STPM/Matrics intake. It has nothing to do with the problem now.

who did u talk to when u "ask people down south"?

i'm sorry, when did we ever made a deal that ALL diploma students can get to continue to degree straight away? we cant even support the entire 70 students per batch in the first place! seriously, yuri, jangan pandai2 buat statement. when we start the degree programme, khairul and i foresaw a potential flooding in the 4th year and 5th year when there are no cut-off point at 3rd year. look at current thesis group, u have both inverto AND frenzy in the same thesis level.

there's simply no way we would ever offer all diploma students to go straight to degree. if we cant even do the same for integration programme, how could we cope with an additional group of students? logo himself couldnt get in straight into degree (although i blame the stupid race quota. dont worry, we've abolished that already ;) ). some of my seniors eventually ended up in my batch (ramesh, arwah tuti, maroz etc), and some of my batch ended up in urs.

we never offered 100% intake for UTM KL, bcoz it's impossible. i'm gonna have to talk to basri directly, coz he was there in the meetings. gimme his phone number.
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Re: Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2008, 03:52:22 AM »
we're already outsiders anyway.

i'm gonna echo logo's sentiments.

if u already consider urself outsiders, this topic is moot.
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Re: Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2008, 04:03:13 AM »
The booklet of programs & subjects came from JB. The program as said by CST-The Dean of CST is meant for UTM SKUDAI. The DESIGN matrik is from UTM.

So, why draft a program that stops at 3rd year without Part One right unless it was meant for a feeder to main campus (Perdana). With out a PART One ticket do you think the students can go to other IPTA's going back to 2nd year in the Malaysian System?

Let me rephrase this AZA, KL is an independent school? We are outsiders?

Cakap dan confirm betul2 nih AZA, terlajak perahu boleh berundur, telajak cakap, padah......A lot will happen after this ultimatum, when you said we are an independent school.

yuri, yuri, yuri. aku rasa kau tak ada comprehension dalam menyelami maksud independent school. do u know what twinning or partner programme is? do u know what the opposite of twinning programme? oh, guess what? it's called an "independent programme"!

UTM KL does not need UTM skudai to function. yes, we do collaborate in terms of resources, facilities and knowledge centres, but if UTM skudai stops functioning, UTM KL can still carry on. get it? if UTM KL is not independent, it means exams must be graded by UTM skudai, assessments cannot be approved without UTM skudai, and all portfolios must go through UTM skudai. exam papers, design projects and assignments must be pre-approved by UTM skudai. heck, even the diploma must be issued by UTM skudai, and the convo must be done here as well. to add to that, student programmes and functions must go through architech and so on.

and further more, do u know what accreditation means? the reason UTM KL adopted the diploma curriculum bcoz it has already been approved by LAN, and the course could start immediately without any prerequisite from CAEM. it means UTM KL can become independent school without having to inconveniently tie itself to UTM skudai.

twinning programmes have alot of problems, and we dont have the resources to tackle it all.

and yes, even without part 1, diploma holders can apply to other college/universities. i'm very surprised u're not aware of this. how do u think our diploma holders have been able to study abroad?

 yuri, yuri, yuri...

sigh...
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Re: Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2008, 10:15:50 AM »
i'm gonna echo logo's sentiments.

if u already consider urself outsiders, this topic is moot.

well, you're making me feel like an outsider.


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UTM KL does not need UTM skudai to function. yes, we do collaborate in terms of resources, facilities and knowledge centres, but if UTM skudai stops functioning, UTM KL can still carry on. get it? if UTM KL is not independent, it means exams must be graded by UTM skudai, assessments cannot be approved without UTM skudai, and all portfolios must go through UTM skudai. exam papers, design projects and assignments must be pre-approved by UTM skudai. heck, even the diploma must be issued by UTM skudai, and the convo must be done here as well. student programmes and functions must go through architech and so on.

From my understanding... UTM KL cannot really function without UTM skudai. We're ONE school and just that the location and graduation level is different. We ARE students of UTM aren't we?? we're just taking UTM's diploma programe, THUS we're located here in KL...

I'm not sure if our portfolios and all do go thru skudai, but from what i understand, the modules have already went thru the Skudai authorities... why? cos we're their students too.... I'm not 100% sure who issues the certs, but i'm sure my cert will say Diploma from Universiti Teknologi Malaysia. and if i'm not mistaken, our Convo is definately in skudai...



Personally, my own concern is that.......
I know i can apply to go into other uni or even overseas to study. but the proplem with the differnt programe is that.... we might spend one whole EXTRA year (if not MORE) to RE-study all the similar stuff that we've already learnt in this programe... as compared to going into 3rd yr in skudai where the programe is a continuation of ours, wouldn't that be better?
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Re: Why only MAX 10 person to UTM Skudai?
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2008, 10:34:38 AM »
ok, i've just spoken to dr. syed directly. here are the cold hard facts:

UTM architecture degree has a maximum of 90 students per batch, not a notch above that. during the first few 1st year intakes direct to degree, we took almost to that number. problem arises when diploma holders from other IPTA/IPTS tried to apply to UTM into 2nd year, but we couldnt accommodate them due to an already large number of students. remember that we were very short on teaching staff. more problem has risen when inverto batch merges with frenzy in thesis as mentioned earlier.

for a few years, the intake from other diploma holders has been very limited. this year, there are 83 students in the 2nd year batch, meaning there wont be 30 students as u mentioned earlier, yuri, but 7. SEVEN.

so where did the magic number 30 came from? ahaa....

about a week ago, all the members of CST came down to skudai, including the dean, vice dean and including dr. liza herself. during the meeting, they had acknowledge the "diploma-to-degree" issue, and that skudai could not accommodate every student from KL. there has never been an agreement that skudai must allocate certain number of places for KL students. that meeting was supposed to propose that skudai allocate some for them.

so during the meeting, dr. syed already tabled out that there is no way for UTM to even take 10 students from KL. we could take seven, and probably more if somebody in the 2nd year batch currently fail their design. there was no promise made on how many UTM KL students would be able to fill the seven empty seats, but they wont be competing with other diploma students. WHY?

bcoz only UTM diploma graduates could go straight to 3rd year! others cant. others only go into 2nd year. this is the promise that skudai gave to diploma graduates from UTM KL, bcoz they use the same curriculum and content, and this promise was made quite some time ago.

so during the meeting, dr. liza as the representative requested more allocation for UTM KL. ofcourse, in spirit of unity, dr syed agreed to reduce the number of intakes for this year's first year degree down to 50. yes, that small, to trade off the incoming 20 diploma students at 2nd year (from other IPTA/IPTS), and fill atleast 10 from UTM KL, and the rest from integrasi-diploma. that's the pledge made a week ago.

there will be no interviews or special exams for the UTM KL diploma holders either. we provide the numbers, UTM KL will sort out via ranking the amount of top students to fill that number. no interviews whatsoever.




u see? 1 call, settle everything. anymore questions?
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