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The Academic Community => UTM KL => Topic started by: Awan_Larat on April 23, 2007, 09:04:02 PM

Title: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Awan_Larat on April 23, 2007, 09:04:02 PM
A lot of us (KL) had been wondering what is the future of City Campus.
And so, to clear things up our honorable VC, visits us today and told the coming future plan regarding City Campus.

Dlm jangka masa terdekat (after approval from Senate) City Campus will be known as 'The International City Campus, UTM'. CST-College of Science & Technology will be upgraded to offer 'ELITE DIPLOMA' in a small number of students and staff ratio. Further in the future there will be degree courses too. Myself, do not understand what is the meaning of 'ELITE DIPLOMA' but according to the VC, it will be the equalevent of 2nd Year KST to 3rd Year of other same courses. All courses are to be taught in ENGLISH as the main language, with a fair mix of International students(mainly from the Middle-East). KST will hold a different batch of students & lecturers. UTM planned to make KST in the image of The London Imperial College. Courses that involve heavy machinery might be transfered to Skudai.

RM 100 million had been awarded to City Campus for rebuilding with 60million allocated to KST. The building will be a 2nd Grade Budget Government Building (JKR kata 2nd grade mahal-betul ke?). Rasanye arkitek UTM buat kot...sigh..harap tak jadik mcm B11(3rd Grade-as i was told)..hehehehe..

So, boys & girls, don't worry about your future in KL. You will still be here, and our class is small anyway, so kita dah parellal le jugak.

 
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: unfold on April 23, 2007, 09:56:28 PM
Elite diploma sounds so snobbish.

What's the difference?
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Awan_Larat on April 23, 2007, 10:34:45 PM
Hehehe aku pun tak tau..bunyi poyo pun ade gak...hahaha, aku ingat kumpulan ELITE je. Tamparan Wanita? hahaha..

Tapi explaination VC kata subjects dan LO lagi payah kot? Lepas tu budak2 belajar  advanced one year dari program perdana, kat KL laie tough...Cambrige, Imperial College..all those gibberish yang ada makna tapi orang muda dalam UTM nih tak paham...so nak aku cerita pasal elite diploma nih aku pon tak tahu. Implikasinya adalah kat student, elite atau tidak, adalah reaksi industri/society terhadap graduan2. Sounds like branding. To do, remember first to have substance, jangan create benda yang tak ada dan atas angin. False impression adalah 'dosa besar' dalam academics, unless you are trying to make money.

Anyway,
Kita nih nak mengaku bagus, KL, Skudai ataupun mane2, adalah berdasarkan produk kita-STUDENT-ada substance ke ataupun tak boleh pakai.   



 
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: keLLisa on April 24, 2007, 04:50:42 PM
hey there awan_larat..
can u explain to me how does the dip programme works?
i mean nanti as the students amik degree, will they be taking the 6 or 5 years programme?
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Awan_Larat on April 24, 2007, 07:46:58 PM
Beza die senang je, The Diploma Students came straight from SPM, not through STPM and Matriks.

Compared by age, the Diploma Students(KL) are now doing Second Year Architectural Design as in The Degree Students(JB) are still in The Fundementals(First Year). The Course is 3 years(Award Advanced/Elite Diploma from UTM), and they continue (still in discussion-new batch) to 3rd year Second Sem in JB. Or depending on thier credit obtained, portfolio and reputation to other schools of Architecture-Degree in or outside Malaysia.
 
The Diploma Class is smaller, with the maximum of 30 Students for 4 Lecturers in whole class. They learn Architecture straight away in the first year/after SPM.
We do not practice the School of Thoughts ideology literally and follow the OLD-School Program Matrixs-Tapi kitorang mungkin berat kepada URBAN kot. I might say KL is like the hybrid of UTM-JB and UiTM  Shah Alam. More or less...The program is in a metamorphosis, could be 4 years (Part One)...

You are not allowed to use Computer not untill you are 2nd Year Second Sem-itu pun under strict supervision/kalau berani.Hehehe. Plus, kitorang kejam kat sini, conteng drawing, marah2 budak...hahahaTak nak cerita banyak, datang le tengok Pameran Portfolio.     
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: segumpal_tanah on April 24, 2007, 09:25:13 PM
Hah! More semantics! Just the thing our ailing education needs right now.

Why can't we address the existing problems before embarking on such novel ideas? Elite Diploma? That means the 'normal' diploma students would always come second best no matter what they do. Sounds double-standard to me.
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Awan_Larat on April 24, 2007, 10:37:12 PM
Hah! More semantics! Just the thing our ailing education needs right now.

Why can't we address the existing problems before embarking on such novel ideas? Elite Diploma? That means the 'normal' diploma students would always come second best no matter what they do. Sounds double-standard to me.

That is the general idea, as explained by our VC, to put College of Science & Technology above all the rest private/government Colleges. But like i said earlier, whatever kind of BRANDING, it is the reputation by its students & lecturers that matters. So, tengok le nanti.

But Tanah, what do you mean by addressing the real problem in education?
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: segumpal_tanah on April 25, 2007, 04:20:21 AM
Yup, exactly. It's the product that matters not the brand. Apa guna pakai seluar Levi's kalau ia selalu koyak di tgh jalan?

The real problem? Well, I don't think I'm in any position to tell you on this things. It's supposed to be the other way around, don't you think? Well anyway, the problems are widespread not just within the architectural realm but the whole Malaysian education as a whole...from 'sekolah rendah' up to tertiary. But that has been addressed to a certain degree in other threads previously, thus it wouldn't be practical to pursue it here.

In regards to architecture, I think your ramblings on superficiality and herd-mentality amongst others have hinted to the shortcomings of our architectural pedagogy. So, why sound so surprised?

Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Awan_Larat on April 25, 2007, 04:33:56 AM

In regards to architecture, I think your ramblings on superficiality and herd-mentality amongst others have hinted to the shortcomings of our architectural pedagogy. So, why sound so surprised?



Oh, itu yang ngkao maksudkan, thought you were saying otherwise, or i am being too defensive ..hehehe, i wish you could come to our portfolio review, but ngkoa kat Australia. Like i said earlier, brand le macam mane pun, janji kitorang kat sini jaga substance, tak superficial dan herd mentality yang ikut trend2 graphic sekarang. Branding tu is a plus, provided IF we are good/elite.

 
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: segumpal_tanah on April 25, 2007, 05:02:59 AM
Tu le pasal, kalau tidak teringin jugak aku nak tengok 'kelincahan' anak2 murid ko tu. Tapi aku takut le nak masuk UTM, nanti kantoi lagi dgn Pak Guard! Har! Har! Har!

Anyway, what bugs me the most about all this is the tendency of the powers that be to fall head over heels just to appeal to foreigners. Of course international recognition is vital and their influx could translate into economic gains. If it's the result of our genuine competency then I'm all for it. But if it's solely based on makeshift facade being erected for the foreigner's eye-candy.... than it is sad indeed.

I wonder why UTM doesn't want to improvise the existing diploma and transform it into this 'Elite Diploma' they desperately crave for, rather than creating a new one and ignoring the old. Wouldn't that be more economical and provident for all? Yes, for all... not just the 'elites' and foreigners.
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Awan_Larat on April 25, 2007, 05:28:15 PM
Tu le pasal, kalau tidak teringin jugak aku nak tengok 'kelincahan' anak2 murid ko tu. Tapi aku takut le nak masuk UTM, nanti kantoi lagi dgn Pak Guard! Har! Har! Har!


Rambut panjang? Hmphh sedangkan aku tengah bela rambut mcm Josh Groban...apa nak takut...senyum dan angkat tangan je..hehehe!!!

Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: keLLisa on April 26, 2007, 02:30:42 AM
oh..
things are getting quite complicated..
kononnye nak abis cpat..
but yet its still the same with the previous 6 years syllabus
1 year matrix + 5 years UTM = 6 years!

furthermore nak ade elite diploma plak..
ish..ish..
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Awan_Larat on April 26, 2007, 03:49:12 AM

Hakikatnya Architecture Education memang takleh..nak cepat. 6 Tahun adalah paling  cepat. I dont believe in Architecture education that is only 5 years.

But the good news is, UTM-KL is soon to develop its first Part One BSc. So the Elite Diploma will evolve into a four year course-Part One. Student will be awarded a Bachelor of Science in Architecture. This is as per told by The Dean(AlamBina-Skudai) today.

Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: azarimy on April 26, 2007, 04:15:33 AM
architecture is a life-long education. must remember that. the first 5 years are just formalities, where the actual learning is out there in the industry. 5 years post STPM/a-levels or 6 years post SPM/o-levels is just a standard that we use to comply with each other, to give more or less equal opportunities for everyone to gain significant abilities in education.

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I wonder why UTM doesn't want to improvise the existing diploma and transform it into this 'Elite Diploma' they desperately crave for, rather than creating a new one and ignoring the old. Wouldn't that be more economical and provident for all? Yes, for all... not just the 'elites' and foreigners.

i'm not sure i understand what u mean. as far as i recall, they're not making a new course. splitting a course into two? well probably (i'm not sure how it goes yet), but creating another diploma from scratch? i dont think so. we already did that when we split the diploma school out of skudai. but our main (unofficial) reason was to make diploma in KL the first step of moving the entire school back where it belongs. we'll let the top management retire first and forget about the move, then the next batch of people will be fed new information! god i love politics! hahahha!

the elite programme (or something similar) that i was told was quite different from what yuri have explained here. the elite programme (as discussed in the UTM KLCC development group back in 2005) is a programme geared for professional education. it's not for post SPM/STPM students, but rather, caters for professional people currently in the industry who're looking for a special training programme (most probably post grad certificates) to enhance themselves.

we see that a lot of datuk2 and transri2 out there seeking to "buy" additional degrees or even doctorates (those dumbasses!) from literally unknown and unrecognized universities such as irish international university, which apparently does not exist in ireland nor in the UK. so UTM now targets these people who're really interested in getting PROPER education and a recognized certificate. well, that was the plan 2 years back.

dr. hamdan and several other FAB academics including myself was part of the UTM KLCC planning committee, and we have derived several proposals to redo, adaptive reuse or rennovate UTM KL in 2005. the idea of the programme as well as other issues were brought to us back then, and we've worked on that for quite sometime. well, i've been off the group for 2 years. probably they've changed the idea of the elite programme to what yuri've said.

nvrmind, i'll check with hamdan and try and get meself updated.
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Yuki_Onna on April 28, 2007, 07:07:57 AM
oh..
things are getting quite complicated..
kononnye nak abis cpat..
but yet its still the same with the previous 6 years syllabus
1 year matrix + 5 years UTM = 6 years!

furthermore nak ade elite diploma plak..
ish..ish..

There IS a difference.... we have 6 years of architecture experience in campus they only have 5...

Hakikatnya Architecture Education memang takleh..nak cepat. 6 Tahun adalah paling  cepat. I dont believe in Architecture education that is only 5 years.

architecture is a life-long education. must remember that. the first 5 years are just formalities, where the actual learning is out there in the industry. 5 years post STPM/a-levels or 6 years post SPM/o-levels is just a standard that we use to comply with each other, to give more or less equal opportunities for everyone to gain significant abilities in education.

But i think Yuri and aza (and Ar. Ridha) are right that studying architecture is not bout how fast you graduate... it's about what you learn and the experince that you get... i won;t be surprised if i'd suddenly decide to take one year off schooling and go travel or work for a year before i continue... but that's yet to be planned.

I've learnt more than just architecture in here... many things we learned is to be applied in life and many things we learn in life is to be applied in architecture....


About the elite diplome thingy.......... i wonder if my batch will stick around long enough to witness it.... personally, i prefer to stay here longer (the 4 year programme sound wonderful where we can get our part one in KL) i dun wanna go to skudai so fast....... one thing is that.. (haha!) cos it's furher away from my hometown... and i like the small campus here, everything is in (closer...) walking distance.
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: segumpal_tanah on April 28, 2007, 07:31:23 AM
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but our main (unofficial) reason was to make diploma in KL the first step of moving the entire school back where it belongs. we'll let the top management retire first and forget about the move, then the next batch of people will be fed new information! god i love politics! hahahha!

Err...which top management are you refering to? The one in KL or the one in Skudai? Anyway, sounds exciting. God, I love coup d'etat!

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we see that a lot of datuk2 and transri2 out there seeking to "buy" additional degrees or even doctorates (those dumb asses!) from literally unknown and unrecognized universities such as Irish international university, which apparently does not exist in Ireland nor in the UK.

Gosh! Really? I never knew that!

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i dun wanna go to skudai so fast....... one thing is that.. (haha!) cos it's furher away from my hometown... and i like the small campus here, everything is in (closer...) walking distance.

Don't fret my dear, Skudai is not that bad nowadays. Gone are the days of 'Bersatu Jaya' as the trendiest spot in town! Har! Har! Har! Don't have a clue do you? Go ask your lecturers...
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Yuki_Onna on April 28, 2007, 08:19:22 AM
Don't fret my dear, Skudai is not that bad nowadays. Gone are the days of 'Bersatu Jaya' as the trendiest spot in town! Har! Har! Har! Don't have a clue do you? Go ask your lecturers...

It's NOT bout that.... i'm the homey type where a book and a cup of tea can entertain me for hours. it's bout how FAR home is.. haha, weather it is just my room in the hostel or in my house....... i

've been to skudai on more than a couple of occassions, and have been broght around skudai... tho i'd say i like the hostels there better, the scenery is nice ^^ just what i like... but well, classes and he studio is much nearer to the hostels here. and KL is much nearer to seremban
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: azarimy on April 28, 2007, 10:02:01 AM
aaah dont worry lah yuki. if u've been away alot, distance wont matter. the only thing u'll register is either "away" or "at home". u'll get through it.

or u can try UM. but u'll join 2nd year, means u've got another 4 years to go.
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: tawel on April 28, 2007, 09:26:48 PM
(http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/575/axo2kecikho9.jpg)

my gang buat masa urban dulu. So korang pun ada buat kan tunjuk ah.
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Yuki_Onna on April 29, 2007, 08:45:36 AM
ya, Zamzuri also did that for his masters. we still have his model here.

btw, isn't that squarish peice of land with two buildings supposed to belong to the jabatan pemetaan negara, of is it gonna be part of UTM's land later?
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Awan_Larat on April 29, 2007, 09:42:32 PM

Ohh... i would love for Architecture to occupied the IBS building. Bangunan tu uplift sikit, boleh nampak Fosterish.
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: keLLisa on April 30, 2007, 12:14:50 AM
There IS a difference.... we have 6 years of architecture experience in campus they only have 5...

But i think Yuri and aza (and Ar. Ridha) are right that studying architecture is not bout how fast you graduate... it's about what you learn and the experince that you get... i won;t be surprised if i'd suddenly decide to take one year off schooling and go travel or work for a year before i continue... but that's yet to be planned.

I've learnt more than just architecture in here... many things we learned is to be applied in life and many things we learn in life is to be applied in architecture....


some of us from matrix experience 6 years in campus..(5 years in UTM + 1 year learning nothing in matrix..haiyo..)

n some of us had 2 years of STPM + 5 years in UTM..
that's gonna be 7 years overall..


yeah me too..
i choose experience rather than being fast forward..
but yet somebody has got to do something bout the education system for architecture UTM for the sake of the students..
so tht there wont be much difference between UTM skudai n UTMKL..
heheh..
that's what i think lar..
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: azarimy on April 30, 2007, 12:37:34 AM
yeah me too..
i choose experience rather than being fast forward..
but yet somebody has got to do something bout the education system for architecture UTM for the sake of the students..
so tht there wont be much difference between UTM skudai n UTMKL..
heheh..
that's what i think lar..

what do u mean?

make the study duration the same? i think the whole point of having UTM KL is to give an alternative study route to potential students to choose from. u can study straight away into diploma from UTM, but there's still a 1 year work experience requirement (i'm not sure whether it's compulsory or preferred, i'll check later) before joining UTM degree. this path is for those who're into technical/practical approach.

UTM skudai now caters for post pre-U studies (STPM/A-levels/matrics). those doing matrics would be saving a year, but STPM would be 7 years. at the moment, only overseas students could join UTM with A-levels, but i'm pretty sure they'll open it for local students as well in the future. this path is for those who're going for the unified training of an architect.

u must understand what's the difference between the curriculums of UTM KL and UTM skudai. the diploma trains the students in the technical ways, grounding their understandings on delivering final product with strong technical know-hows. these skills will be assessed at the end of 3rd year.

in UTM skudai, u'll be trained in those skills as well, but it will not be assessed until end of 5th year. this allows u to develop those technical skills in a longer duration (literally 5 years), where u could either pick it up early 1st/2nd year, or later 3rd/4th year. ofcourse, this would be reflected in the grades u'd receive, but then again, UTM skudai is adapating a constructivist approach in education, where students are given more freedom to choose what they want to learn.

u'll see that students from msian education system wont be ready for this kind of approach. schools have taught u a banking/didactic way of learning, where u collect as many information as u can without making sense  with any of it. hopefully u'd get to use it in the future. what UTM skudai is adapting might kill some students, but we're doing that for the sake of education in its entirety. UTM KL might follow suite, but we're still studying the effects of the constructivist approach in UTM skudai first...
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Awan_Larat on April 30, 2007, 01:46:19 AM
Actually Aza, the duration would be the same with those doing Matriks, as per the Metamorphosis of UTM KL's Credit-Transfer/Design Studio Content and the comments from portfolio panel yesterday, KL students might go into JB at 3rd Year/Second Sem. It depends on the first batch as the 'Standard' for future comings in KL. You know that the first batch always sets the standards. Kalau kat JB, standard ngkorang adalah berdasarkan batch pertama, yg juniors semua follow.

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u must understand what's the difference between the curriculums of UTM KL and UTM skudai. the diploma trains the students in the technical ways, grounding their understandings on delivering final product with strong technical know-hows. these skills will be assessed at the end of 3rd year.

in UTM skudai, u'll be trained in those skills as well, but it will not be assessed until end of 5th year. this allows u to develop those technical skills in a longer duration (literally 5 years), where u could either pick it up early 1st/2nd year, or later 3rd/4th year. ofcourse, this would be reflected in the grades u'd receive, but then again, UTM skudai is adapating a constructivist approach in education, where students are given more freedom to choose what they want to learn.

Betul ke Aza? Hehehe..Come on dude, updated yourself, the internet does not present you the whole reality of what you said or perceive from Sheffield. We can claim a million things, but what matters is, have you seen it in your own eyes!

JB is not revolutionizing the Pedagogy, more of less following suite all Architecture Schools in Malaysia.

One of the interesting comments we've got from the Portfolio Panel is that almost all Architecture Schools in Malaysia are now taking the 'Glamorous' approach of Architecture Education to fantastic, glossy, philosophized form makings. Likewise the grounded, practicality of Architecture in its Common Sense are thrown out the window. So, UTM-KL is still defending its tecnical DOGMA 'Old-School' and seen as 'The renegade' towards all other Architecture Schools in its contemporary settings. And that was a compliment. Plus the KL students are equalevent to one semester higher to JB. Those are not my words, but the Portfolio Panel.

Sebenarnya beza dia banyak dan ketara wahai keLLisa. Tapi takde sorang pun daripada Johor Bharu datang nak tengok perbezaan tu. So, too bad.

Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: azarimy on April 30, 2007, 02:32:18 AM
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Actually Aza, the duration would be the same with those doing Matriks, as per the Metamorphosis of UTM KL's Credit-Transfer/Design Studio Content and the comments from portfolio panel yesterday, KL students might go into JB at 3rd Year/Second Sem. It depends on the first batch as the 'Standard' for future comings in KL. You know that the first batch always sets the standards. Kalau kat JB, standard ngkorang adalah berdasarkan batch pertama, yg juniors semua follow.

the standard of the school is based on the latest batch. not the first batch. it's in the accreditation assessment scheme. u can refer to the ISO specifications.

but then again, it's up to degree school to decide. two weeks ago i talked to dr. syed and he did mention a work experience requirement. like i said, i'll check on that, so dont jump to conclusions just yet.
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Betul ke Aza? Hehehe..Come on dude, updated yourself, the internet does not present you the whole reality of what you said or perceive from Sheffield. We can claim a million things, but what matters is, have you seen it in your own eyes!

JB is not revolutionizing the Pedagogy, more of less following suite all Architecture Schools in Malaysia.

whatever makes u happy, yuri. i have a better view on what's going on from far away, and u know that.

i've grown not to rely on anything u've said, as u tend to only pick the stuff that suits ur purpose. UTM skudai is just a phone call away, yuri, and i've been in close contact with them. u also have the tendency to only pick the worst in UTM skudai and compare it with the best in UTM KL. but i just dont feel like going that low, so that's that.

UTM KL is still following the old syllabus. we agreed that way. no sense of being renegade or going against the flow there. it's a stationary benchmark to measure where we're going or how far.

ur blatant attempts at judging others are weak, yuri. to ur eyes, no one is as good as u are. for that, aku malas nak layan.
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Awan_Larat on April 30, 2007, 06:01:51 PM
Well Aza, maybe i was being rude out of the excitement, nonetheless you should check the works in JB before you said or confidently claim to what you have wrote. I took the effort to compare works for i think it is important on how you place yourself among other architecture schools, with UiTM, UIA. And i didn't compare alone to avoid prejudice and biasness.

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ur blatant attempts at judging others are weak, yuri. to ur eyes, no one is as good as u are. for that, aku malas nak layan.

I am not good like you..., infact i always put myself in the fire to be shoot at for criticism in Tanggam. I am not  afraid of such comments. Relek le Aza, this is my first attempt of judging what you are saying...takkan dah give-up hehehe...

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but then again, it's up to degree school to decide. two weeks ago i talked to dr. syed and he did mention a work experience requirement. like i said, i'll check on that, so dont jump to conclusions just yet.

Well, i was told yang KL jangan nak 'over' dari JB..hehehehe. We can never be better than JB. Nanti orang JB marah. Quite unfair isn't it?. But then again like you said, don't jump to conclusion yet. However, I can feel that stigma from your statement above. Sigh*

Just remember, kalau budak-budak nih masuk 2nd Year kat JB, malu-besar le senior-senior diorang nanti. Right now,  it's fair for them to be in 4th or 3rd year(of course diorang pergi practical traning dulu dari JB). That is my own prerogative. Feel free to criticise. 
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: tawel on April 30, 2007, 07:58:12 PM
a competition is better. If 2 FAB compete with each other in terms of creating good architect and designer... both side win. No matter if one is better than the other.
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: azarimy on April 30, 2007, 11:48:45 PM
Well Aza, maybe i was being rude out of the excitement, nonetheless you should check the works in JB before you said or confidently claim to what you have wrote. I took the effort to compare works for i think it is important on how you place yourself among other architecture schools, with UiTM, UIA. And i didn't compare alone to avoid prejudice and biasness.

I am not good like you..., infact i always put myself in the fire to be shoot at for criticism in Tanggam. I am not  afraid of such comments. Relek le Aza, this is my first attempt of judging what you are saying...takkan dah give-up hehehe...

Well, i was told yang KL jangan nak 'over' dari JB..hehehehe. We can never be better than JB. Nanti orang JB marah. Quite unfair isn't it?. But then again like you said, don't jump to conclusion yet. However, I can feel that stigma from your statement above. Sigh*

Just remember, kalau budak-budak nih masuk 2nd Year kat JB, malu-besar le senior-senior diorang nanti. Right now,  it's fair for them to be in 4th or 3rd year(of course diorang pergi practical traning dulu dari JB). That is my own prerogative. Feel free to criticise. 


fair enough.

i dont mind competition, and i really dont mind if the students are really that good. my method of making my students better are always by comparing with the best of others and improve themselves against them, rather than comparing with the worst and make themselves feel better by convincing that those are really the worst ever. hence i dont attempt to compare the quality of life in msia with indonesia or vietnam (like most of our politicians do).

i dont believe there is such a thing as "KL jangan nak over dari JB". it's either dumb or somebody's idea of a lame joke. if the students are really good, good for UTM, good for u, good for all of us. we dont even mind giving them direct entry to 3rd year 2nd sem if it warrants so.

but like i said before, the standard is not set by the 1st batch. standard changes, the first batch is merely an instrument of measurement. UTM KL is using the old UTM curriculum which have been tried and tested. we all know what kind of students they'll produce, becoz most of us ARE the product of that system ;). UTM KL dont need to prove themselves anything, but making them even better is their own prerogative lah.

Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: sonatta on May 08, 2007, 11:12:05 PM
wah. dengar2 logo cst yuri terpilih.

logo aku kalah hwaaaa....
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Yuki_Onna on May 09, 2007, 07:42:04 PM
hehe.. well, i've seen your logo atta, i liked it ^^ hehe, haven't seen yur's so i can't compare.......

Grats anyways Yuri upon puting your mark in the CST for the rest of its life....
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: tawel on May 09, 2007, 07:43:22 PM
camana nak tengok logo?
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Awan_Larat on May 09, 2007, 11:38:50 PM
Atta, i think yours got saguhati..RM 50, and Intan's dapat second-RM 150 under Mr.K's name.

The logo is not final, biasale banyak comment dari orang...but i'm trying to defend the original.
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Awan_Larat on May 09, 2007, 11:55:18 PM
This is the extended tagline to its meaning.
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Awan_Larat on June 18, 2007, 07:36:12 PM

Good news everyone!, all Diploma program in KL is going to evovle into a Degree Program, offering a Bsc, in the future. UTM KL will evovle into something like The School of Architecture & Urban Design. I'll guess Urban Architecture will be the identity of KL kids.   
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: man on June 19, 2007, 05:40:28 PM
are you saying that the kl diploma students will be extending their study years
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Yuki_Onna on June 26, 2007, 09:25:14 PM
man, i do hope so
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: segumpal_tanah on June 27, 2007, 03:10:08 PM
No, lads. I don't think the diploma will be extended. I think what Yuri meant is that the diplomas would be somewhat banished remaining only degrees to be offered. Eventhough it wouldn't be offered, but the diploma programme would still exists! Under a different name of course...which would then be known as Bsc. Name je tukar!

I might be wrong, am I Yuri?
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: azarimy on June 27, 2007, 03:21:10 PM
all degrees in msia has been standardized according to the international standard. it means that degree candidates must go through some form of pre-university course, commonly STPM or A-levels (which is what we see now, and why the huge revamp in UTM's and UiTM's education format). alternatively, they can sit for foundation, IB or any equivalent pre-u certificates; or a diploma which allows a student to usually skip 1st year entirely.

meaning, even if the diploma is converted into degree, the current students might probably not benefit from the change, primarily bcoz they never sat for a pre-u course, hence they wont have enough accumulated credits to graduate their degrees.

so the way for them to do it is to let the current students finish off their diplomas, and only apply the new degree format to the new batch of student.
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: segumpal_tanah on June 27, 2007, 05:14:19 PM
Yes, applying the new 'policies' unto the new batch does make sense. This reminds me during halfway through diploma when the-then head of department decided to 'increase the bar' in order to graduate. This I refer to the sudden redundancy of all C- grades for all passed subjects. This ultimately means that eventhough the students have passed any given subject with such grade, they would have to re-do the whole course eventhough they didn't fail! So what's the point of passing a subject if they still have to do it again to achieve better grades? Why not just raise the passing grade to C then?

I know this is old news and doesn't really apply to the current context. But still it resonates with how the department should execute any new and coming changes. Because to pay for mistakes that we didn't make is totally agonising and unfair to say the least.

p/s: Lagipun aku salah sorang dari student2 yg terpaksa ambik balik subjek2 C- tu! Tension sungguh!
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Yuki_Onna on June 29, 2007, 08:59:27 PM
look at the bright side. this encouges you to be an A student and not just a PASSING stident. it's always dangerous to be at the margin. Studies is like a rising river and all students are in it. if u get good grades, your head's free above the water. failing means sinking! if u just pass, your nose is right above water level. the rick is... the water level might rise anytime and those who are at a higher level are always safe... ^^ work hard la then. don't be content with just PASS
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: azarimy on June 30, 2007, 01:23:42 AM
i believe what tanah's getting at is that students have their rights. while doing my research i've been made more aware of the rights of the students, and how sometimes the msian education system disregards this factor, although usually it's just a matter of "terlepas pandang".

there's nothing wrong with raising the passing grade. but the students should be made aware of what they're getting into, and not just raise the bar anytime they please. the recent grade rearrangement caught me offguard really. i believe UTM now has A+ in the grade levels. now... where does THAT comes from? does that mean if for the last 4 years i've only scored A (and not A+), my CGPA will drop considerably? yes it does.

but fortunately some people managed to point out this issue, and instead of upgrading only the grade system, they upgraded the entire CGPA calculations as well.

students have rights, u know... especially in architecture. u wont believe how much rights were violated, especially in crits alone ;)
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: segumpal_tanah on June 30, 2007, 02:30:33 PM
Yuki dear, I totally agree with you but, as Aza has pointed out, that's not the point I'm trying to make. So do strive on to be the best and steer away from any grades other than A or B at the most. Don't follow the twisted footsteps of the seniors like my kind!

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students have rights, u know... especially in architecture. u wont believe how much rights were violated, especially in crits alone

Wow! Sounds exciting! Care to elaborate, brother? If we're sidetracking, we could pop this one up in another thread if you wish.
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: azarimy on June 30, 2007, 03:58:52 PM
Wow! Sounds exciting! Care to elaborate, brother? If we're sidetracking, we could pop this one up in another thread if you wish.

soon. belum abis study lagi :D
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: Yuki_Onna on June 30, 2007, 09:28:41 PM
sure.... i was just "looking at the bright side" hehe. stating out the pros while you state the cons. both are right ^^ hehe
Title: Re: The Future of City Campus.
Post by: @lastsoftware on June 30, 2007, 09:49:07 PM
lecturers violating students rights.. hmmm... boleh buat script movie nie :whistle:, why not do a survey, just to spark a flame a little bit, might bring back old memories and deep wounds.. hmmm  :hmm: